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frjohnbenedict
Al,

Thank you for this insight. It never occurred to me that the skin would make a difference.  I've changed to the classic.zip and it works perfectly, the way it did on the organ I built for the monastery chapel several years ago.

It really is a lifesaver when you are the priest conducting the service and the only organist in the house. Anyone can be drafted to hit next.

Skin is not important to me since the organs I'm building for churches here in the Philippines will be played via the console with the computer hidden behind the music desk except when the recorder function has to be used. That is on a dedicated "console" with only the recorder, recorder chooser and "Next" buttons. No confusion, no deviation, the most computer illiterate person can do it.

Now I need to find a way to edit the midi file created by jOrgan recorder. It would be nice to lose the silence between when I hit record and when I start playing.

Fr. John Benedict McDonald, CGS

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al
open the midi file in Anvil studio, look at the event list view for each track.  The silence is of course in the frontand has a time value.  Change that value to match on each track.
NOTE:  DO THIS ON A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL.  IE  BACKUP YOUR FILE BEFORE YOU EDIT IT.....

I will look at he skins to see if i can figure out what the difference is between them and see if a simple edit can allow your preferred skin to work.

For the midi file, you can send me a copy at  aschroer@pipe-organ.com and i can edit it for you.

In addition, contact me off list as I would like to learn more of your ventures in the phillipines.  We installed a new pipe organ there 2 years ago in manila.

Al
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al
In reply to this post by frjohnbenedict
another thought o the midi file, and easier to impliment...   still open the file in Anvil but rather than mess with event messages, you can go to view composer and just delete the rests in the score.  If I remember correctly, the program will ask if you want to truncate or make the change to all tracks.  you will want to answer yes to keep all tracks in sync.

Again, test on a copy or backup.  never test these things with your only copy.

If you still have problems, let me know.

Al
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Paul Stratman-2
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I think the skin issue may be that a pop-up window is needed for the play list.
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al
I was thinking the same thing but have not had time to look at it yet.  I'm sure it is a simple fix but as usual, i'm playing catch-up but that's a good thing.  I might be able to look at it sunday or early next week.

Al
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John Reimer
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frjohnbenedict wrote
when the recorder function has to be used. That is on a dedicated "console" with only the recorder, recorder chooser and "Next" buttons.
Father John,

I have just managed to get it working on a test version of my BROADWAY disposition using jOrgan 3.20. I have created another console using the Classic skin, and will transfer the Recorder element to it. (For some reason I couldn't allocate the Memory style to it using my normal BALMAIN skin. Hopefully Al will sort that out, but if it doesn't get sorted out, at least the separate console can be used.)

In getting it to work, I found John Kuhns' "RECORDER-LIST PROGRAM" instructions file invaluable. His notes there on "Skin Style" read, "The only skin style that will work with this in the classic skin is the memory style, since it is the only one bound to popup. You can create other skin styles that bind to popup and customize them to your heart's content."  This may mean something to Al, but I doubt that I know how to get it to work with my BALMAIN skin.

But how does one create the "Next" button? I assume that the use of this button selects the next item on the recorder list, which would certainly be an advantage for the operator.

John Reimer
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al
I recall recently reviewing those instructions included with the new recorder when I saw Fr. Benedicts' post.  I then recall when the only tme i used it was in 2013 when it first came out but the only skin i could get it to work with was Silberman.

I will look into it but it will take at least a week as I am do back out on the road Monday.  I do have jOrgan Mobile so i will look into this as time allows.  I too am intrigued by this but it has to be something simple as Paul suggested.

Al
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John Reimer
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al wrote
I will look at he skins to see if i can figure out what the difference is between them and see if a simple edit can allow your preferred skin to work.
Sven,

Can you come in on this? We are getting John Kuhns’ Recorder Chooser to work using the Classic Skin and the Silberman Skin, but not on others. When I tried to add the Memory style to the new Recorder Chooser element using the Balmain Skin, I was not offered the Memory (it has already been selected once, so is not offered).

On 8th December 2012 in a thread called “hidePopup” you wrote these words to John Kuhns (it was a thread about controlling a webcam from a jOrgan console):

“please check your element provider. The MemoryElementProvider for example limits the count of memory elements to 1:
 
public List<Class<? extends Element>> getElementClasses(Organ organ) {
 List<Class<? extends Element>> classes = new ArrayList<Class<? extends Element>>();
 
if (organ.getElement(Memory.class) == null) {
 classes.add(Memory.class);
 }
 
return classes;
 }
 
Just remove the 'if' in your provider.”

I suspect that these words are relevant to the current problem, but I don’t know how, or what to do about it.

John Reimer
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Sven Meier
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Hi John,

sorry, I didn't follow this discussion.

Could you rephrase the problem for me?

Best regards
Sven


On 28.02.2016 07:03, John Reimer wrote:

> al wrote
>> I will look at he skins to see if i can figure out what the difference is
>> between them and see if a simple edit can allow your preferred skin to
>> work.
> Sven,
>
> Can you come in on this? We are getting John Kuhns’ Recorder Chooser to work
> using the Classic Skin and the Silberman Skin, but not on others. When I
> tried to add the Memory style to the new Recorder Chooser element using the
> Balmain Skin, I was not offered the Memory (it has already been selected
> once, so is not offered).
>
> On 8th December 2012 in a thread called “hidePopup” you wrote these words to
> John Kuhns (it was a thread about controlling a webcam from a jOrgan
> console):
>
> “please check your element provider. The MemoryElementProvider for example
> limits the count of memory elements to 1:
>  
> public List<Class&lt;? extends Element>> getElementClasses(Organ organ) {
>   List<Class&lt;? extends Element>> classes = new ArrayList<Class&lt;?
> extends Element>>();
>  
> if (organ.getElement(Memory.class) == null) {
>   classes.add(Memory.class);
>   }
>  
> return classes;
>   }
>  
> Just remove the 'if' in your provider.”
>
> I suspect that these words are relevant to the current problem, but I don’t
> know how, or what to do about it.
>
> John Reimer
>
>
>
>
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John Reimer
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Sven,

This conversation is between Father John Benedict, Al and myself. Father John uses John Kuhn’s Recorder Chooser element to display a LIST of jOrgan .mid files which Father John plays in a jOrgan installation in his church, and which he makes use of during services in the absence of an organist. This is an extremely convenient provision.  It was originally written in the time of jOrgan 3.17, and when Father John tried to use it with 3.20, it would not work. It was originally thought that the problem lay in 3.20, but it is now realised that it has something to do with the Skin being used. For some reason it will work with the Classic Skin and with the Silberman Skin.

It has something to do with the fact that only the Memory element provides a Popup which will display the list. I suspect that your words to John Kuhns about another matter, may give us the clue to the solution to this problem.

A workaround is to create a separate console and to assign the Recorder Chooser to that console, and to use the Classic Skin. This enable one to continue using the preferred skin for the other consoles.

Father John has mentioned the use of a “NEXT” button to advance through the list conveniently if being used by someone not very familiar with computers. I have tried to implement such a feature using the Incrementer, but have had no success. This of course is a separate problem to the Skin matter.

John Reimer
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Sven Meier
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Hi John,

the skin definition has to have a "popup" binding, so that a click on
the element triggers opening of the popup.

Have you compared the relevant XML snippets in the skins?

Have fun
Svenm


On 28.02.2016 23:00, John Reimer wrote:

> Sven,
>
> Can you come in on this? We are getting John Kuhns’ Recorder Chooser to work
> using the Classic Skin and the Silberman Skin, but not on others. When I
> tried to add the Memory style to the new Recorder Chooser element using the
> Balmain Skin, I was not offered the Memory (it has already been selected
> once, so is not offered).
>
> On 8th December 2012 in a thread called “hidePopup” you wrote these words to
> John Kuhns (it was a thread about controlling a webcam from a jOrgan
> console):
>
> “please check your element provider. The MemoryElementProvider for example
> limits the count of memory elements to 1:
>  
> public List<Class&lt;? extends Element>> getElementClasses(Organ organ) {
>   List<Class&lt;? extends Element>> classes = new ArrayList<Class&lt;?
> extends Element>>();
>  
> if (organ.getElement(Memory.class) == null) {
>   classes.add(Memory.class);
>   }
>  
> return classes;
>   }
>  
> Just remove the 'if' in your provider.”
>
> I suspect that these words are relevant to the current problem, but I don’t
> know how, or what to do about it.
>
> John Reimer
>
> Sven,
>
> This conversation is between Father John Benedict, Al and myself. Father
> John uses John Kuhn’s Recorder Chooser element to display a LIST of jOrgan
> .mid files which Father John plays in a jOrgan installation in his church,
> and which he makes use of during services in the absence of an organist.
> This is an extremely convenient provision.  It was originally written in the
> time of jOrgan 3.17, and when Father John tried to use it with 3.20, it
> would not work. It was originally thought that the problem lay in 3.20, but
> it is now realised that it has something to do with the Skin being used. For
> some reason it will work with the Classic Skin and with the Silberman Skin.
>
> It has something to do with the fact that only the Memory element provides a
> Popup which will display the list. I suspect that your words to John Kuhns
> about another matter, may give us the clue to the solution to this problem.
>
> A workaround is to create a separate console and to assign the Recorder
> Chooser to that console, and to use the Classic Skin. This enable one to
> continue using the preferred skin for the other consoles.
>
> Father John has mentioned the use of a “NEXT” button to advance through the
> list conveniently if being used by someone not very familiar with computers.
> I have tried to implement such a feature using the Incrementer, but have had
> no success. This of course is a separate problem to the Skin matter.
>
> John Reimer
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://jorgan.999862.n4.nabble.com/SPAM-RE-SPAM-RE-FWD-Re-Play-list-Recorder-tp4662897p4662913.html
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>
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John Reimer
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Sven Meier wrote
Have you compared the relevant XML snippets in the skins?
Sven,

 Using an XML Editor, I have verified that there is no Popup binding in the Balmain skin, which is used in the Broadway disposition. What I have done is import the memory element into that skin from the classic skin, and made a couple of deletions not related to the present matter, and then renamed it as the Broadway skin. With that change made, and after examining Father John Benedict’s disposition, I have been able to use the Recorder Chooser successfully without needing a separate console.

John Reimer